For the money spent & what you end up with, factoring in reliability, performance gains, & the rest I think I'd rather buy a new rifle. Introducing the A17 17 HM2 to the Savage semi-automatic A Series. No. The .17 hmr is great, but I do a lot of shooting from 200 yards, and don't really go through a lot of ammo per outing (about 25 - 50 rounds). check out the. 17 hmr has 17 gr bullet that can be propelled to 2590 ft/sec at the muzzle which is a great value for making it reliable for a lot of objects. Most have failed miserably. Strike three. I guarantee you that a HM2 will load and shoot out of a HMR bolt. Would a bolt action 17 hmr be capable of shooting 17 hm2 ammunition? Sarge01, that's quite alright sir and thank you for your service. Popular Rifle Calibers, Part I Though .17 HMR was designed to replicate the ballistics of the 5mm RMR. Here you will find hunting, fishing, and survival tips from the editors of Field and Stream, as well as recommendations from readers like yourself. I just never saw the need personally for a 17, if I want small and fast I would go 22 magnum. Please bear in mind that we do not provide an accuracy guarantee with this weapon. They DO NOT interchange! A big advantage of the HMR is the 20 gr. And don't forget to check out the latest reviews on guns and outdoor gear on fieldandstream.com. The HMR will kill groundhogs but out to 100 yards I can kill them just as well with an accurate 22 and beyond that a 22 mag works just as well. It dont matter what type of gun you try to use the cartridges are not by any means interchangeable ! The .17 HMR was based on a necked-down .22 WMR case, and its impressive 2550 fps velocity, incredibly flat trajectory, and superb accuracy immediately led Emary to experiment with the same 17-grain V-Max bullet in a smaller, necked-down .22 Long Rifle case. You may want to read up on it & see if it's worth it at rimfirecentral.com. While you can chamber the .17 Mach II in a gun chambered for the .17 HMR, you are inviting trouble. Strike three. The .17 HMR shoots flatter and harder and is a lot better in the wind but if you shoot your M2 enough, you will not feel any handicap against the HMR. Please buy it from trusted store. Designed with a free-floating, button rifled barrel, corrosion resistant chrome plated bolt, bolt release and removable … Just as you cannot shoot a .22 LR in a gun chambered for .22 WMR, so to the .17 HM2 and the .17 HMR. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. He has earned the right to retire in my opinion. All cartridge dimensions, except bullet diameter are different. Also talk about no recoil, it is the funnest thing you will ever shoot; most guys I know started with several hmrs, and then bought a m2- now they have many m2's, and keep MAYBE ONE hmr, or none at all. It’s also a huge topic in most rimfire forums. I have read the reports of how well the 17 kills varmints but I have not seen the "death ray" effects that some are reporting. No, the HMR round is based on the .22 mag case and the HM2 round is based on the .22 LR case. The 17 HM2 is a flat shooting tack driver with achievable velocities of 2,100 ft/s. The 22 LR could only be converted to the 17 HM2, not the magnum. The .17 HMR, it does a number on Squirrel, Rabbit and even known to destroy the meat. The Savage .17 HMR is a great rifle for small game hunting or target shooting. Honestly, why would you produce .17 Mach 2 ammunition that may (or may not) sell when every .22 LR, .22 WMR (then experiencing a renaissance), and .17 HMR is flying off the shelf, right? The proven delayed-blowback action used in the A17 17 HMR is replicated in the new offering to support the high pressures of the Mach 2 caliber. I see no reason why a .17 HMR barrel would not swap directly onto a Ruger 10/22 Magnum, just as a .17 Mach 2 barrel swaps easily onto a standard 10/22. The .17 HM2 is basically a necked down .22 LR Stinger..17 HM2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A 17 gr bullet will go 2,100ft/sec and has 166ft/lbs of energy. So the cartridge's neck will go into the bore, and when it expands to let the bullet go, it will probably expand enough to stick it in the chamber. And shoot. Welcome to Field and Streams's Answers section. I guarantee you that a HM2 will load and shoot out of a HMR bolt. (That's nearly 70 percent faster than a standard-velocity.22 LR.) Everyone go buy a .17 HM2, not a HMR. First - they are two totally different sized projectiles - the 17 would have so much extra room it would never touch the lands and grooves. The .17 Mach II is a shorter round and the bullet would not be in the bore when the round is chambered. new posts. There are three readily-available 17-caliber rimfire rounds now on the market: 17 HMR, 17 WSM, and 17 Mach 2(aka 17 HM2). Ballistic coefficients for the 17-grain bullet of the.17 HM2 and the 40-grain bullet of the.22 LR are close to the same, but the.17-caliber bullet shoots flatter because it starts out considerably faster. The Sako Quad HMR at just less than 200 yards. Compared to the HMR, 17 HM2 is cheaper and not as big of a step down in performance as many people would claim. It didn't fill a role for me. You can get HM2's very easy so you should do it the safe way. I'll speak up in defense of the 17 HM2. However, Remington has recalled all .17 HMR autoloaders and clearly states that their .17 HMR ammunition should never be fired in semiautomatics. It’s Consistent Maverick, you might contact Bo Clerke in Raton, NM. Neither of them will be as economical to shoot as a .22 Long Rifle, but I doubt you’ll be shooting either of them in the same volume you would a .22 LR. You can start with just the receiver and a pre-attached .17 HMR barrel or a combo that contains the receiver, the .22 LR barrel, and the .17 HMR barrel. All cartridge dimensions, except bullet diameter are different. the shell case is the same diameter.if i read right the hm2 is a bit longer right?i dont see why because the hmr is based on the 22 mag case which is longer than the hm2 mother case the 22 long rifle.can anyone shed light on this i dont have a spec book and found nothing about it other than wikipedia and it just dont jive. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by SureThing, Jun 1, 2009. Minute of very-small varmint! Time. If it is chambered for .22 magnum ammo, you can replace the barrel with one chambered for the .17 HMR. Show . This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. What exactly is the problem with this cartridge and the conversion for the 10/22? Definitely go 17 HMR if you choose to go with the 17 caliber. This page was generated at 06:51 PM. The proven delayed-blowback action used in the A17 17 HMR is replicated in the new offering to support the high pressures of the Mach 2 caliber. Aguila also made a .17 rimfire, the .17 PMC/Aguila, but it never became popular. What kind of accuracy can I expect with the .17 HMR? As far as I know you can still get Volquartsons conversion barrel and bolt, but for the price you could have a dandy bolt gun chambered for it and a scope and a sling and rings and targets and gas money to the range and... you get my point. Which .17 caliber- HMR or HM2 or Hornet and which rifle for take down survival use. Those are two completely different rounds, with different amounts of powder and case size. Search. While a head shot with the HMR ruins no meat, it sure makes for an ugly dead squirrel. That's just my thoughts. Compared to a .22LR, the .17 HM2 crushes it in every category but price per bo After that the bullet drops rather quickly. A properly thrown rock can kill a deer. Not only is the bullet diameter smaller, but the cartridge case of a .17 HMT is longer than a .22 LR case. A caution— it is possible to hit with the .17 HMR at greater ranges than those that guarantee a quick kill. This makes it safer than any of the.22 LR bullets for small game and varmint hunting in semi-populated areas. Same with a .17 or .22. What the .22 lacks in speed and long-range effectiveness, the .17 HMR happily makes up. Finally the 17 WSM is, without question, the performance leader among .17-Cal rimfire rounds. It may not go into the bore when it was fired and could act as an obstruction. Collapse. Haven't shot anything with the WSM yet. Both rifles are inexpensive and extraordinary. The HMR is capable of sending a 17-grain tipped varmint bullet at 2,650 fps, easily vaporizing prairie dogs and other small game out to 200 yards. So the .17 HMR shoots flatter than most calibers in a range of 75-125 yards. The .17 HMR is basically a necked down .22 Mag..17 HMR - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A 17 gr bullet will go 2,550ft/sec and has 245ft/lbs of energy. It is superior in every way to the HM2. Previous template Next. We can’t talk about the HM2 without talking about the HMR, as its success is what led to the investment of the .17 HM2. Its high velocity also enables the.17-caliber bullet to deliver the same energy levels downrange, even though it is 35 percent lighter. Before You Buy, You Should to: Reading the consumer reviews of Weatherby 17 Hmr Rifle For Sale And 17 Hm2 Rifle Manufacturers before purchase. I had the 17 HMR when it came out but sold it after a year of it sitting in the safe. Page 3 of 3 < Prev 1 2 3. -No re-chambering needed, you can shoot this round out of your 17HM2 (17 Mach II) chambered bolt-action rifle Cons of the.17 Aguila/PMC: As always, good shot placement is needed in order to not lose game. The Sako Quad HMR at just less than 200 yards. The .17 Hornady Mach 2, or .17 HM2, is a rimfire cartridge introduced in 2004 by the ammunition manufacturer Hornady, following the successful launch in 2002 of the .17 HMR.The .17 HM2 is based on the .22 Long Rifle "Stinger" case, necked down to .17 caliber (4.5 mm) and using a bullet weighing less than half the weight of a typical .22 Long Rifle bullet. The derivation of these cartridges is:.17 HM2 = .22 CCI Stinger round (slightly longer than a std .22 LR case) necked down to .17.17 HMR = .22 WMR necked down to .17 Adios, If you enjoy shooting the .17 HMR cartridge, then shoot away. Art Eatman Moderator Emeritus. I agree. Considering the size disparity of the two cases, the results were initially surprising, even to Emary. A crow may explode at 50 yards, but over 100 yards the wing bones may stop a .17. But you need to be Grog the Deer Slayer to make it be ethical. Pictured From right to left: CCI .22 LR .38 grain Minimag, CCI 22 LR .40 grain Standard, Eley 17 HM2, CCI 17 HMR 20 Grain FMJ, Federal 17 HMR 17 grain JHP On a personal note, I have a few 17 HM2 rifles, and I think they are fantastic options as late season squirrel guns. You can come close to duplicating .17 HM2 trajectory with hypervelocity loadings of the .22 LR, but the accuracy of those loads in the most accurate of rifles usually restricts their practical use on small game to about 75 yards. That cartridge is considered by many to be superior to the venerable .22 LR cartridge and because of its speed, it is sure fun to shoot. The 17 Mach 2 (HM2) is making a resurgence, as it is less expensive than 17 HMR and it can be shot from rifles converted from .22 LR since it shares the .22 LR cartridge OAL. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ for information on posting and navigating the forums. You cannot shoot ,17 caliber ammo through an unmodified 10/22. You just can't beat the price for the ammo. Compared to .22 LR, well, there is no comparison. The derivation of these cartridges is:.17 HM2 = .22 CCI Stinger round (slightly longer than a std .22 LR case) necked down to .17.17 HMR = .22 WMR necked down to .17 Adios, I figured out what went wrong. When I first posted this thread, I didn't see it branching off into black powder, but, I included mountain men and a "possibles" bag, so that, All of the old (and smart) mountain men carried a "possibles" pouch, mostly to keep some extra powder, wads, bullets or balls handy, in case, If this is your first visit, be sure to Ruger 77 with the drop-in Green Mountain .17 HMR barrel and my custom single shot Husqvarna with the Green Mountain .17 HM2. No the HM2 bullets are the mach 2 bullets. Nope. Can I bolt 5.0 Chevy heads to a 5.0 Ford block? Filtered by: Clear All. Have both a 17 HMR and a 17 WSM. That question is pretty easily answered using a little data and combining that with a lot of shooting at long range. and i was wondering can i shoot 17 hm2 out of it? What should be your choice? Fortunately, the seemingly unending thirst for ammunition has been quenched (at least temporarily), so manufacturers have resumed production of .17 Mach 2, and there’s a new option to boot. But I would not recommend it. As much as I love .22 LR, it can't hold a candle to 17 HM2, especially when you start talking about making shots from 100 to 200 yards. The 17 HM2 is a flat shooting tack driver with achievable velocities of 2,100 ft/s. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Armed 24/7, Sep 19, 2008. Based on the.22 Long Rifle rimfire case, the new.17 Mach 2 (.17M2) is necked to seat a 17-grain,.17-caliber Hornady V-Max bullet and is powered to a nominal 2100 fps velocity from a standard SAAMI-reference 24-inch rifle barrel. I love the cheaper ammo for the M2 and the low noise level. Sticker shock I guess. If your 10/22 is not a magnum, you will have to shoot the .17 Mach II in it. The modern rimfire family: (L) .22 short, .17 HM2, .22 LR, .17 HMR, .22 WMR (Magnum). Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Minute of very-small varmint! You can get HM2's very easy so you should do it the safe way. Best Uses For a .17 HMR . As you can already see the .17HMR is a faster and lighter bullet than the .22LR. A .17 HMR can give you 1 inch or less groups at 100 yards under ideal conditions (no wind, good ammo, and properly adjusted rifle). Like the 22 WMR and 17 HMR cartridges, centerfire cleaning instructions apply due to the jacketed bullet used in this cartridge. The .17 HMR is a necked down version of the .22 Magnum and generally uses a 17-grain bullet, though you can also find rounds with 20 grain and 15.5-grain bullets. Collapse. I had .17 HMRs in my .22 Magnum magazine of my Marlin model 882 22 mag rifle. Filter. If you get a new rifle for 300 dollars that is about 20 boxes of HMR and 75 boxes of HM2 Plus the maximum effective range of this caliber is approximately 200 yards. Long range shot with clean kill on a rabbit, at 282 yards and an 8mph cross wind. If I was to buy that new rifle I'd just go with the 17 HMR. Unfired rounds can be extracted from these chambers. Very unsafe, if it would even chamber. The 17 HMR is a very popular round, available from multiple manufacturers — CCI, Hornady, and now Norma. Ruger 77 with the drop-in Green Mountain .17 HMR barrel and my custom single shot Husqvarna with the Green Mountain .17 HM2. If you plan on plinking or going through a lot of ammo the .22LR is the way to go. The ammo price was nice, about 1/2 that of HMR but local availability was low. Introducing the A17, 17 HM2 to the Savage semi-automatic A Series. They are considerable smaller than the original bullet. The 17 HMR is MUCH noisier than the Mach 2 and blows up squirrels when you hit them. Designed with a free-floating, button rifled barrel, corrosion resistant chrome plated bolt, bolt release and removable dust cover for improved functionality. Know the target and know the range. I'm pretty sure the 17 hm2 can shoot pretty flat out to almost 150 or so. Although its widely known that the .22LR is lethal on small game out to 100 yards. Well I’ve noticed that the great one D.P. If you get a new rifle for 300 dollars that is about 20 boxes of HMR and 75 boxes of HM2 Finally the 17 WSM is, without question, the performance leader among .17-Cal rimfire rounds. You wouldn’t. Good guns. Posts; Latest Activity; Photos . The HMR was a response by Hornady to wildcatters who were looking for a solid replacement for the 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum, which was the fastest rimfire round on the market. .17 HM2 The 17 HM2 barrels for the Ruger 77/22, Sako P94 & Quad, CZ 455 and Remington 504 are chambered with a Pacific Precision Grinding match-type reamer. One advantage of this projectile is its frangibility. The Need for Speed: The .17 HMR. If you cannot purchase ammunition for a gun, it’s a paperweight, and therefore, there was no interest in the round. To the OP: Don't go the way of 17 HM2. Obviously, shooter skill and wind will have a large effect on this as ranges extend. Typically, the .17 HMR will shoot around 1.0 MOA or better at most practical distances. For a $300 plinker or small-game getter, the Savage A17 in .17 HM2 is a fantastic little rifle. HM2 ammo is way cheaper, and it would be nice to have the ability to change. This is a discussion on Which .17 caliber- HMR or HM2 or Hornet and which rifle for take down survival use within the Rimfire forums, part of the Gun Forum category; I had a Browning SA-22. When you compare some models of 22 LR and 17 HMR, you see that both cartridges have many to offer and that there are many great rifles that use those calibers. Many companies have attempted to harness bottleneck rimfires into semiauto platforms. oh i c..I thought that the shell casing was the same diameter. 17 HMR — Still the Market Leader in 17-Cal Rimfires. Just as you cannot shoot a .22 LR in a gun chambered for .22 WMR, so to the .17 HM2 and the .17 HMR. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. However, I soon found out Savage’s little autoloader can shoot. The 17 Mach 2 (HM2) is making a resurgence, as it is less expensive than 17 HMR and it can be shot from rifles converted from .22 LR since it shares the .22 LR cartridge OAL. Is not writing much rifle stuff anymore. I just know that say a .357 mag revolver can shoot 38 special bullets, and other magnum cartridges are also compatible... Thx for the help guys. No. hunting bullet offering (XTP & Game Point) when you need penetration on larger critters. Had a lot of problems and the take down mechanism began to gall and not lock properly. Before I bought the HMR I looked into converting my 10/22 into an HM2, but the conversion was too expensive and there were too many horror stories. You wouldn’t. Make sure you don't see any fraudulent charges. I looked at the ballistics and they are great and best yet they fit in any 10/22 magazine. Neither of them will be as economical to shoot as a .22 Long Rifle, but I doubt you’ll be shooting either of them in the same volume you would a .22 LR. According to the current .17 Aguila/PMC barrel manufacturers, you can re-barrel a Ruger 10/22 with a .17 Aguila/PMC barrel and shoot it with no bolt modifications, but (and here’s the biggie) you can also shoot the .17 Aguila/PMC in your .17 Mach II chambered bolt-action firearm, this time with NO Modifications! you want cheaper buy a darn .22 long rifle that is capable of shooting long's and short's . If you want to buy Weatherby 17 Hmr Rifle For Sale And 17 Hm2 Rifle Manufacturers. If you do try shooting a .17 HMR in your .22 rifle, I'll bet you have a hard time extracting the case. i have a henry h001 .17 hmr. All Time Today Last Week Last Month. Both rifles are inexpensive and extraordinary. The .17 HM2 case is based on a .22LR Stinger necked down to .17 caliber, making it a no-recoil, low-noise cartridge that’s perfect for small critters. There is no doubt 22 LR cannot compare with 17 HMR when it comes to shooting from larger distances. 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